On a widescreen monitor, for me, the wasted space of a horizontal panel has to be put to very good use to be worthwhile. The @#!% Registry however Um, no, I'm not confirming you're right. (and if the app wasn't built on the same Gtk minor release, worse could happen if it runs at all). gnome 42 alpha is here and on the surface it looks absolutely amazing bit once you start opening more and more apps that are supposed to be native it will be a mess of modern looking libadwaita apps and legacy feeling gtk 3 apps , just like in windows , and that's kinda awful , i wish i could fix that by creating a gtk 3 theme that makes the old The only time they used X was when the kernel couldn't do modesetting. So I suppose we should not be too smug. My "goal"* is to switch to a proper big boy tiling wm and use wayland and swaywm - I know I could use i3 and get the same things, but wayland is definitely the future and I'm not switching twice * goal: n. A thing that I make no progress towards achieving, but sits in the back of my mind.. As did Audacious. Most people will always just stick with whatever OS shipped with the hardware (or whatever they are obliged to use at work/school/college) - and why shouldn't they, if what they get works? (3) But even worse.GTK3 was usefulbut no.GTK4 came along in time for Gnome 4. Big whup. The "serious" environment usually runs XFCE, but I'd probably be happy switching to KDE for everything if XFCE went TITSUP. KDE 3 was awesome, and KDE 4 a nightmare. GNOME themes were described using CSS. -> And how many times have you now written in these comments that anyone who doesn't like something about Linux should just fork it? Select only one answer. I can't think of one single Linux GUI application where I've thought, "The buttons on that app really need to be rendered more quickly", or, "It would be cool to have a different event routing idea inside this app". I get the need to innovate if there's some worthwhile ultimate goal. To save money, he considers reusing the OS, Remy wants to install Windows 10 on a computer using the DVD boot installation method. How apposite!! At least it would be easy to get work done on. A *BRILLIANT* collection of links. How many users know that selecting unreadable text areas (if one can figure out how) may convert an unreadable blur into a readable color combination when the text is highlighted? We read that Adwaita is now to be enforced and app-specific theming ignored. I can't speak for anyone else, but I switched to Linux a couple of decades ago because of a combination of combat fatigue -- I was tired of fighting with my OS to get simple things done simply -- and a (correct as it turns out) guess that market forces would cause Microsoft to become increasingly user-hostile in future decades. GNOME 42 brings some minor but awesome visual changes that make the overall desktop experience look more refined, polished, and modern. borders, unlike the more modern Text Editor. It boggles me that the Trinity folks bothered to fork it. Please support me on . Properly designing "creatives" is a nearly impossible task. KDE 3 was worse and Xandros had given up. Create a new account See also: fvwm, Blackbox, Openbox, Fluxbox (my personal favourite). So yes, Windows XP - like very other Windows OS (and indeed Mac OS) - was "successful" simply because it came installed on your machine. All themes belong to their authors. Monitors have got bigger physically. If critical functions answer to uniformity. For example, look at slide 30 of this, which kind of says it all. Course Hero is not sponsored or endorsed by any college or university. The problem now is that the newer, ever-flatter look of GNOME 40+ is also causing unhappiness and drama and now there's very little you can do about it. Honestly in the early part of KDE4 I was using XFCE for a while. I insist on it for anything important. Menwhile, MATE just looks and behaves the same as it always has. Now that has changed. A few years ago I spent sometime teaching visually impaired computer users to edit audio using various Windows and Mac DAWs. Really now. That means lots of flashy but sub-optimal solutions get chosen over those that are more functional. MOZILLA FIREFOX I'm lookin' at YOU!!!). GNOME 42 is here, but its new look and feel doesn't yet include all of the environment. where X can be ALMOST ANYTHING you used to use in GTK3!! And this AC has been happy with XFCE for the last ten years. Menubar on pretty much every window I have open now. When it was opened, it was discovered that it was, Using the Risk Matrix in the Unit Lesson, calculate the numerical risk level of each of the following severity/likelihood combinations and then place them in descending order of seriousness, Question 24 of 28 You have an Azure subscription that contains an Azure container registry named Contoso2020. Just image the sheer volume of people working on UI - not just the designers but all you users, testing, feeding back, etc. In fact, if one is going to take the lid off one's own C++ application in a major way, retargetting it to VCL looks like a pretty good idea. ago This place is a sty!". All rights reserved 19982022, Anonymous cowards cannot choose their icon, Kernel devs offer emperor penguin early gifts of code for version 6.2, 'Experimental operating system' it may be, but it's still Unix/Linux-like, Tumbleweed rolling-release distro to need v2 of x86-64 and drop x86-32 edition, 4.18 the first update of lightweight, minimalist UNIX gear since 2020, Latest offshoot of Illumos project continues development of FOSS version of Solaris. Oh, and by the way, I agree with you about KDE4 and was so glad when I came across MATE so I could have a desktop that got out of my way and let me get on with the real purpose of my PC, doing stuff. Just either give me something good enough to use without wincing every time, or offer me a way to change it *easily*. Just installed an Openbox based fork of Manjaro (Mabox if anyone wants to know).. instead of interfacing with the user, you give them an experience, Q: "How many people from Silicon Valley does it take to change a light bulb? And maybe I just haven't discovered how to discover stuff without resorting to the interwebs. On top of which one suspects that Red, Green and Blue vary a bit in shade from device to device. Don't make scroll bars so thin they need single-pixel precision to hit. View GNOME 42 desktop showing inconsistent visual themes.docx from PSYCHOLOGY 101 at West Negros University. Makali's comment to Jamie Zawinski pretty much covers it for this writer. Some apps with inconsistent theming in Gnome 41. More recent demos using AR headsets look just as impractical and sucky. (NOBODY *COMPELS* ME - I *REBEL* INSTEAD!). A "theme" is no longer a "theme" for the desktop and all Gtk apps running, and the integrated consistent "look and feel" suffers. Yup.GNOME!!! Anyone who has actually used a Windows Phone device will tell you that its UI may have been flat, but it was still distinguishable: yes, there were only a handful of visual cues, but they were used consistently across the whole UI - and the Windows Phone UI did feature boxed buttons; frameless buttons are an abomination that the world can than Apple for. The so called 'Accessibilty' options don't help either - it's very difficult for the gui to highlight a non-existant border. Users have widely differing needs. A new version comes along twice a year so Fedora 37 will almost certainly have GNOME 43. Let's hide "Print" and "Preferences" since users are too stupid any way to need/ use those functions. Besides which, you are barking up the wrong doorstep! GDI? The developers need taking outside. That means larger type size (in pixels) and greater line-spacing. and our There was no incentive to switch to Linux. You said it. But at least I have sense enough not to inflict my preferences on other people. I'm pretty sure that is why material that is readable and cool on the creator's display may be garish (OK but jarring) or hard to read (not so OK) for many viewers. This embeds the formerly separate Adwaita theme, effectively enforcing it across all apps that use Gtk 4. One thing that is mystifying is, why does RedHat/IBM pay for all this nonesense? GNOME Bugzilla - Bug 164809. -> its new look and feel doesn't yet include all of the environment. I struggle to understand how this is the conclusion you came to after carefully reading the article. Well *done*. Yes, Linux certainly encourages a strict demarcation between user and system administration - this makes perfect sense from a security perspective (especially on multi-user systems), and protects the user from accidentally breaking things. Modern UIs feel like they've gone backwards in the last 20 years. LOL. Petite vido de conseils pour avoir un thme cohrent sur Gnome 42/43 test sur plusieurs distros : Ubuntu 22.10, 22.04, Arch et Fedora. He inserts a DVD with the installation files into the DVD drive and restarts the computer. No frills, fast, minimal resource usage, stable, easily configurable, stays out of the way, just works. GNOME 42.docx - GNOME 42's inconsistent themes are causing drama GNOME 42 is here, but its new look and feel doesn't yet include all of the. That's the advantage of FOSS is if you don't like the way some project is heading you can always jump ship to another or even create your own fork if you have the skills. Sure, you should provide a good default theme, and a good default theme will be a selling point, but if your plan for "enforcing style guidelines" is all about preventing people from doing anything else you should probably ask yourself why people *want* to do something else and if your style guidelines are - in fact - complete bullshit. ", (even though in California, selling traditional light bulbs is now ILLEGAL. Windows has done that since the late betas of Win95. Would you honestly say that things have become better in terms of UI? Even if you do not care about flatness, even if you need strong specs to see the shape of those "all important corners", you do get hindered making your humble pay if some GUI designer with too much time on her/ his hands starts moving and hiding essential functions and elements. Those cars with touch-screen-only secondary controls are effectively unusable for elderly or other users with poor fine motor skills (=the ability to accurately position and work with your fingers), whose motor skills would otherwise be perfectly adequate to safely pilot a car. Really? So you have experienced the KDE 3.5 and Gnome 2 competitive era (before KDE 4.x and Gnome 3). Since GNOME 3, the default GNOME. I want my bloody scroll arrows back too. Unfortunately this trend is creeping out of computing/web/phones and into areas where its starting to pose genuine problems. The writing has been on the wall for a long time. Creatives shouldnt be let near user interfaces until they have been properly designed. (Worthy of mention, Devuan to eliminate systemd for Linux, and the BSDs as well). And FFS stop changing things just for the sake of change. On the Which type of installation do you want screen, she chooses the Custom: Install Windows. Don't want to even think of the time I've wasted trying to turn that bloody "feature" off. It's simple and gets out of the way. . All of which could be programmatically set in Gtk+2, but now wildly vary in Gtk+3+ themes with CSS rendering (if you are lucky enough to have that element included in the CSS of the new theme). In the same way that Android and iOS are "successful" on mobiles. Designers need to understand that few user displays have consistent much less properly adjusted gamma (intensity vs signal level) curves. Where is my TWM desktop manager from the 90s on X ? I have tried MATE. I bet none that said they hated it can do it. > Creatives shouldnt be let near user interfaces until they have been properly designed. About the only desktop that has weathered the Gtk CSS storm with some degree of success is XFCE. Windows Phone gets a lot of blame for this, but its misplaced. The sad part is there is no way to correct, fix, reverse, or undo more than a decade worth of wrong direction in a desktop and toolkit -- other than find a replacement. Bumping up the number of pixels on your display doesnt give you more space to lay out your work - or improve your eyesight. For the entire 8+ years of Gtk+3 development, every new minor version broke compatibility with the prior minor version sending theme developers running like lemmings over a cliff. I think it's because the designers think everyone has touch screens. The change from bordered icons to a new style of borderless or focus on hover icons made the packages unusable overnight. It can also be accessed through the right-click menu when trying to change the background. Gnome. They have made the same mistake that Apple made with iOS7 when they tried to copy Windows Phones minimalist UI - they went too far, and simply removed all the button-borders and other visual signifiers from their UI without providing anything else in their place. Disclaimer! (It's still around and still pushing releases, but nobody cares.) For the capabilities of a literal 2 colour black and white screen, I would even argue quite attractive. Make an application window that small nowadays and see how much usable space there is. We users have enough problems with often dubious attempts to create material that is usable with both PCs and smart phones. You can always fork it to GNG -> Gng's not Gnome. Looked boring, which is more or less what I want. Gnome 42 and theming. top right is the older GEdit, and beneath it a Files window. Feel that most of the UI designers are complete idiots, can you imagine the chaos if they were left to design traffic lights, all the lights would be just different shades of the same colour. Here's how to do it securely, Tumbleweed rolling-release distro to need v2 of x86-64 and drop x86-32 edition, 4.18 the first update of lightweight, minimalist UNIX gear since 2020, Latest offshoot of Illumos project continues development of FOSS version of Solaris, Used by millions and the first official finished edition is here. System-wide accent colors are being discussed and looked at, but there are design related concerns about them, so it's possible that they will never land. Everyone needs to stop with this shit and actually provide a theming engine that works properly. Personally this becomes very confusing when there are many overlapping windows. Course Hero is not sponsored or endorsed by any college or university. (and elements containing icons) This caused toolbars in ported apps to spill over into ellipsized menus (the or >> at the end of the icon row). And GTK4 is not backward compatible with GTK3. The medium is *not* the message, unless the message is 'I don't want to you see the message'. Intuitive. Even the lines in the sickeningly ubiquitous hamburger seem to be getting finer and finer. Now we've all just spent 20 years constantly reinventing wheels, changing things, changing them back again, then making a square wheel and reinventing that. Lots of web designers should go up against the nearest wall. Bring back 3d borders. Like many modern desktops, GNOME uses a lot of web technology. Always has been. There are really two groups of users. Unix system administration is really difficult and using that sudo mess to do simple stuff like backups is a bit off-putting for average users. Lately, I've been working on having a proper dark style preference in GNOME. The problem is that a devices user-interface is now seen as a marketing point, not a functional one. Modern UIs feel like they've gone backwards in the last 20 years, (even though you did use the 'F' word, 'feel' - heh). ", From the 3rd one: GTK 4 is a major new version of GTK that breaks both API and ABI compared to GTK 3.x (Yes - they REALLY! At top left is the new Text Editor app, complete with heavily rounded window corners and flat, borderless control buttons. UI is strictly speaking a branch of ergonomics, and the people I know of who did it for a living are serious engineering types. The final theme in this list is Ant. I must say a perfect Halloween theme, and you can download it from here. There are no panaceas out there. sick emoji. No, that won't be the reason. Do they have a business goal to supplant MacOS or Windows? I forget the last time I saw a current generation UI which made me think the designers had the same level of respect for the end users And perfectly usable. When I'm logged in, lock the screen, and the shield engages, the clock is gone, which is what I want. "There was no incentive to switch to Linux.". Rewrite it so that it is once again desktop style-agnostic like the previous version, even though all the calls are compatible, and to boot rewrite the native applciations like the file manager to use the new toolkit. Dans cet exemple j'a. Just glancing over some of the fluff on GTK4 is a wonder; GPU rendering of the GUI? They do and are classy, but still naff. As long as it does what it's supposed to do, bid deal. On the substantive point: there is very little you can do about an app that doesn't want to use the OS look and feel. Ubuntu MATE on my desktops; it runs happily under X2Go sessions, which are handy if you don't have direct access to a VMWare instance manager. iOS14.x feels like it;s a re-skinned iOS from 10 years ago. Good news, everyone! This gtk theme is for GNOME and XFCE4. If Wayland (and Weston) can give us a slicker, smaller, more focused display controller, I think that would be a win. And then, the'll randomly disappear again, due to some obscure, undocumented change in the theme configuration system (which is, of course, wildly inconsistent across desktops, GUI toolkits and individual applications). lee_mdk 25 May 2022 13:59 #1. It's a clever-sounding idea that can be adequately implemented but no one knows why. It's the perfect theme for Linux Desktops that want to maintain a clean look with minor changes. (And maybe remember that some users have one one of the many varieties of color blindness and will not be enthused about material that -- for them -- uses near identical foreground and background colors). Course Hero uses AI to attempt to automatically extract content from documents to surface to you and others so you can study better, e.g., in search results, to enrich docs, and more. These visionaries are wasting their own time and the user's patience by making *any* changes to the design. So it doesn't ape mictosoft's earth shattering, never before done, be all to end all windows layout. Is the screen shield from gdm without a user logged in being generated from a different theme? . It's just a rewrite in a popular language. Ant. A proper Dark Style setting will likely also be implement by then. There are at least 6 other WM's out there that I can think of OTTOMH. I can not think of a single person who switched from XP to Linux because of theming. Don't get me wrong, I too love it when stuff is pleasing to my no doubt very personal eyes. Whether MS were influenced by others, or whether it's MS who've been the influencer, it's clear that UI design in general over this time period has grown steadily more and more user hostile. (See Linus quoted in El Reg: https://www.theregister.com/2011/08/05/linus_slams_gnome_three/). And every time, someone's written a tool to emulate the previous version. You plan to create an Azure Kubernetes Service (AKS) cluster named AKS1 that has the, Question 27 of 28 You have an Azure web app named Contoso2023. This is bad and good. encounter with them in the otherwise-excellent Trillian on Windows 2000. I have had this issue for a while now, why are these apps not complying with my theme? (2) Not content with that 2021 got us Gnome 4..another disaster. Do they ever wonder how the expenditure is theoretically supposed to turn into profit, or measure anything to see if it is? At. (I posted the 'One look to rule them all' parody earlier so I'll just make reference to it instead), -> Windows XP made theming part of Windows and was thus a strong incentive to switch to Linux, or Mac OS X, or indeed anything else. GNOME 42's inconsistent themes are causing drama. GTK4 is also slow as dog shit with heavy resource usage. Instead of taking theming away, why couldn't they go the other way and design a proper, robust, theming API? The deal-breaker for me is that its support for vertical taskbars is just as broken and non-functional as GNOME 2's was, and so for that reason, it doesn't work for me. Even their early forays into mobile phones showed a level of user friendliness that iOS and Android would do well to be inspired by. You are aware also, are you not, that until around XP (or maybe 7, even) Windows was a security disaster precisely because you were obliged to escalate to admin privileges to do almost anything useful (this harks back to Windows originally, unlike Unix, being essentially a single-user OS)? KDE is the easiest interface I've found to keep MeDearOldMum, Great Aunt and the Wife happy, so I use it myself for most mundane day to day tasks, just to keep my reflexes in shape. After a few weeks, he wants to add three of these computers to a domain. GNOME 42's inconsistent themes are causing drama GNOME 42 is here, but its new look and feel doesn't yet include all of the By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Text needs to be large enough to be clearly readable at the typical viewing distance. For my systems I had a theme that I liked, and had patched up to what I wanted. But this doesn't exist anymore by default. A nightmare for developers who have been using GTK3 for years. Course Hero uses AI to attempt to automatically extract content from documents to surface to you and others so you can study better, e.g., in search results, to enrich docs, and more. Hence everything now is tied to keyboard shortcuts and 'command palettes' (because nobody likes using touchpads), and an app's entire UI is crammed into it's titlebar because the devs have little vertical screen space. Read . If you don't like Firefox, you could use Chrome. Does that really mean what Google Translate says it means? I don't understand why anyone would inflict Gnome on himself. Simple and fast it does everything I need. Good news, everyone! I recently bought a cheap chromebook and rather to my surprise I don't really dislike it all that much. A more refined GNOME experience. After all, if the driver can't manage the car's UI, the result can be a crash. The Linux way of doing things. sudo apt install flatpak gnome-software-plugin-flatpak GNOME 42 is here, but its new look and feel doesn't yet include all of the environment. Silly me noticed that there was just an "OK" button. Remember me on this computer? Looked for a standard interface default "Cancel" button, but I suppose it wasn't allowed according those modern SUKU (shut up, kneel user) design guidelines. GNOME 42, on the other hand, decided to implement freedesktop color scheme standard to deal with dark and light modes, and it is all embedded in this in-house new library called libadwaita . I have recently updated my arch linux to Gnome42 but still nautilus is using old gtk3 theme. I blame Apple for a lot of this stupidity but they aren't the only one responsible for the current mess. Gtk+2 applications (and the Gtk+2 toolkit itself) were easily themed and the theme author had control over virtually every aspect of the interface. libadwaita-themes. But it's there. Urgh 2D desktops.. why can't we just use a sort of a VR world we can build to look like we want, with apps and data and stuff scattered around using whatever metaphors clicks with us, and have friends over to chill with us and work with stuff together in our cool 3D shared metaphor illusion thing, It'd be like *wow I love your wm theme" :D, "It'd be like *wow I love your wm theme" :D", It'd probably be more like "Dude, get a cleaner in. The windows which are not in focus have a dim titlebar. Many ported apps do a half attempt at mimicking the visuals, but totally skip the rest of the HID guidelines (tab order?). The Gnome folk have got EVERYTHING wrong, every possible way. This is already causing rumblings of discontent. First off, the limiting factor for information density on any interactive display is the human operator. THAT!!!). Customize GNOME 42 with a Polished Look Setup First, enable your system for Flatpak because we need to install the Extension Manager to download some required GNOME Shell extensions for this tutorial. Whereas twenty years ago a single 17 inch monitor was the norm, and 30 inch the practical limit, now that norm is 24 inches, and the maximum can be multiple 35-inch displays. Sorry, this post was deleted by the person who originally posted it. One component of GNOME 40 and later releases is version 4 of the Gtk toolkit. 10. While core nice things of the Windows experience is the consistency of the interface, which ties into assistive technologies and keyboard use. "It boggles me that the Trinity folks bothered to fork it.". Resolution is not the same as size. In the context of KDE 4, yes, that seems entirely understandable to me. Aargh! Question. Another upvote for XFCE does what it needs to do as efficiently as possible. You know Windows also has an Administrator privilege level, and that Windows system administration is probably on the same level of "difficulty" as Linux, right? XFCE on some systems, Openbox on others - depending on what they are used for. Even if a development team were motivated to take the lid of their application and update it, these days there's a serious question. All because of some perceived need to make desktop and tablet interfaces the same. Like many modern desktops, GNOME uses a lot of web technology. Thanks! The Register Biting the hand that feeds IT, Copyright. This is already causing rumblings of discontent. Themes had nothing to do with my switch. Dark style preference in GNOME 42. Blackbox, XFCE and such were popular alternatives even then. So "they" must TAKE CHOICE AWAY, "for our own good". This means that the file manager doesn't match the new look and feel, and if you attempt to customize it, the mismatch will get worse. They should stop doing that. I suggest installing the adw-gtk-theme from our community repo to make all Gtk applications have a matching theme. KDE3 was ugly as sin, but it did just work. Support. Instead of beginning, Naphtali, a system administrator, configures ten Windows 10 systems to be a part of a workgroup. It's precisely because a very small number of people do just that that the mess you describe has arisen. It's like people went out of the way to deliberately waste screen real-estate while simultaneously making it harder and harder each iteration to determine what is and is not a button. Previously, both the secondary (air, radio, seats) and the primary ( steering, speed, brake, indicators) controls in a car have gone through decades of usability engineering to ensure that they can be used by people with pretty much any level of fine motor control, but the shift to touch-screen for secondary controls has undone that good work. Then the idiots took over and from 8 onwards each new version of Windows brings more designer ego and less user control to the table. Then in 2011 we got the abortion called Gnome 3! The styling is a mixture: GEdit's top corners are less rounded and its bottom corners are square. Folder Icon Theme Update Even though GNOME focuses on providing a modern desktop experience, the original folder icons looked dated. Boo-hoo-hoo. Perhaps, now, looking back from Plasma it did have some horrible inconsistencies and misfires but they were not (from my perspective) as bad as what was occurring in gnome. And there are "cosmopolitans" who see the app on lots of platforms and want the app to look and behave consistently on both. Not because it magically did something better to ease the transition, but simply because there was less of it there that had to be ported and re-themed. The reason your modern UIs default settings on a 4k monitor still uses the same physical character size today as a VT100 (around 2.0 x 3.5 mm) is because that character size was not pulled out of a hat; it is the result of detailed study of human vision and ergonomics. I was able to remove the clock from the screen shield by updating the theme to use a font size of zero, but the screen shield when there are no users logged in still has the clock overlay. This is already causing rumblings of discontent. The existence of the GNOME developer community means that the Marketing Department of the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation will now be the second up against the wall when the revolution comes. What used to be included in a theme is no more. We really don't need additional aggravation layered on only for style. And give users the choice of how to configure THEIR user environment to THEIR preferences and requirements, don't ever dare to presume that just because your job title is "UI Designer", you know better than the people using your creation how good their ability is to cope with the defaults you've chosen. Sure, they'll grumble about GUI changes - and then just get used to them, as they either don't see they have a choice, or, if they do, reckon (correctly) that a transition to a completely different OS would be if anything more jarring. Another reason is the constant reinvention, the constant rebuilding in whatever programming language is topical, of things which should by now be stable. GNOME 42's new look isn't just an easy-to-change theme. So enter the latest kludge, libadwaita. Whatever the end result it, it's never going to make RedHat / IBM any more money than they already make from subscriptions, so it is just a cost. This is a result of fundamental changes to Gtk such as removal of Gtk programming elements like gtk_toolbar() that provided consistent size and spacing for icon toolbars. Rebuild for Qt. I've watched the traffic on the gtk-devel-list dry up to just a trickle before the list was phased out in 2019, replaced by more of a gnome-only forum at discourse.gnome.org. Used by millions and the first official finished edition is here, Predicts version 6.1 will need an eighth release candidate, Amazon Web Services (AWS) Business Transformation, GNOME 42's inconsistent themes are causing drama. Apps ported to Gtk+3 only displayed about 1/3 of the icons present in Gtk+2 toolbars and took almost double the vertical real estate due to CSS spacing issues and a lack of reasonable icon margin and border defaults. It's all the same to them, because of their shim. an access key a role assignment. The irony that it was Apple being so ignorant of basic design principles isnt lost on this ex-employee, but thats what you get when you fire all your UI designers (the Human Interface Group was closed back in the late 1990s) and expect graphic artists to have the same skillset. But noooo, let's move "Open" buttons all over the place. Re-read my post. Ever since Windows 8's flat look led even Apple to abandon its old skeuomorphic appearance and flatten iOS 7, it's been cool to be flat whatever the cost. That means a lot of people will be looking at GNOME 42 every day until 2024. Never dictate the desktop theme. You need to be able to perform a deployment slot swap with preview. GTK is but then it's needed but a ton of applications including Firefox and Chrome (?). Themes for GNOME 42 GTK4.0. Get the hell out of here! As an example, colour was consistently used as an interaction cue: pretty much any text drawn in the UI highlight colour would react to touch - Apple badly broke this basic rule when it did iOS 7, indiscriminately using colour both as a decoration and as a interaction cue. GNOME = Gaaah, Needlessly Obtuse Mindf*ck Environment, -> now there's very little you can do about it. Windows XP was far more successful that anything Linux has ever produced. GTK4 broken? It is a BAD trend, and has been since Gnome 3 as far as i can tell (when it seems to have begun). It's saying that, if you choose to ride this bandwagon, there's a ton of work, it might be hard, it might not work, and it might change yet again (contrary to other assurances that, with GTK4, stability is a goal). this also applies to websites: microscopic light grey text on a slightly lighter grey background, with text columns six hundred words wide, helps no-one. With an invite like that, do you 1) accept it, or 2) stick with a mature, problem free version of a toolkit and keep that as a dependency for all time to come? With Gnome I need to install extension and hunt for custom themes. And this is why the year of the Linux desktop will always be far in the future. Many years ago, I realised that I didn't know what a "desktop environment" was useful for. Mind you, I've been linux since *at least* Slackware 4. Let's but honest. Almost everything -- no, everything -- you said in that first paragraph is wrong. They just use the kernels VCs. Ubuntu: GNOME - Chrome contextual menu colors inconsistent with current themeHelpful? So, to do that, open up a terminal and run the following commands. 2. MATE still cannot. We learned that lesson a long time ago Once a project has been maintained long enough for original developers to retire (or move on to other projects), such that the inexperienced CHILDREN take over, because "It is OUR turn now", the end result is likely to be a series of UNWANTED and UNNECESSARY changes, which [for something like Gnome] has been nothing but DISAPPOINTMENT for a LOT of us. What Linux needs is a stable, boring, functional desktop environment that serious minded developers can just use. (though Plasma/Frameworks 5 is a lot closer to getting there than KDE4 ever got). If all that systemd did was to offer another init alternative then I don't think there would be such a backlash against it. Quartz? View GNOME 42.docx from PSYCHOLOGY 101 at West Negros University. I have yet to meet anybody who likes the unholy mess that is gnome-3. (The theoretical basis of this has been understood since the 1950s, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitts's_law). The only work-around was for the app developer to provide their own icons or themes to control those elements, and preventing a new theme from being applied (Openoffice, Inkscape, and many more) It was Adwaita or a "box of chocolates" for toolbars. At a place where I was working at the time, some people wanted to rebuild something which was already running well, which was well understood by those who maintained and supported it, and didn't have any significant problems, on Ruby on Rails. Rewrite, rewrite, rewrite, rewrite. Talking of which, what is the obsession with disappearing and/or near invisible scroll bars. And all to "save" 10 pixels of vertical screen estate!? The desktop and the community has suffered as a result of the toolkit changes and the current dearth of community involvement and development with Gtk4. Surprisingly also down to the titlebar color. Because the distance you have to move the mouse cursor can now be much, much bigger than before, it is much harder to accurately position that cursor on buttons that are further away - so because the average display surface areas get bigger, the controls must get bigger too for the system to remain usable. So I just installed Openbox and the various tools and utilities I needed, some of them from the XFCE stable. Rule No.1. Concise. (I could easily use CSS to make buttons and stuff look 3D skeuomorphic, or at least have a nice shadow effect, if they INSIST that everything be like a web page based on CSS but CSS requires a bloatware browser engine to render it. I went so far as learning how to edit the gtk.css as most of themes authors also abandon the idea of colored titlebar. Probably not. No. Now that has changed. This release is significant because soon it will be the default desktop of the next Long Term Support (LTS) version of Ubuntu. The differences are slight, and many people probably would never notice it. It just seems to be a project totally disconnected from reality. However, once the Libadwaita Recoloring API is implemented, we should be able to add Maia to the color palette. KDE/Plasma has been through the same growing pains since KDE 4.0.4a was unceremoniously forced on openSuSE users as the default desktop for the 11.0 release in May 2008 -- it hasn't recovered since. That GTK4 on theme change is the last drop. Whitesur theme for GNOME. Since GNOME 3, the default GNOME theme was Adwaita, and it was easy to install new ones, and there were lots to choose from. Remember that MS-Windows became popular when the normal resolution was 640x480. elementary UX architect Cassidy James Blaede did a good write-up about this, please read it if you haven't yet (or watch his GUADEC talk if you prefer a video). Nothing to do with Gnome 42 update which breaks themes. This is already causing rumblings of discontent. Anyone? I share the authors view that the Windows HID experience went to hell after Windows 2000. At top left is the new Text Editor app, complete with heavily rounded window corners and flat, borderless control buttons. Erm, 99.9% of people people don't switch OSes ever, and 99.9% of those people don't even know they have the option. Agree completely, Linux UI is kitchen sink. We have nearly exhausted our own creative abilities in UI. But you're right in a way. But surely then MacOS or iOS does the job? The solution: Restrain creative urges. So: (1) Gnome 2 was fine. If the GNOME-using members of the Red Hat community don't like the look of 42, they won't have to put up with it for long, but Ubuntu users must, or switch to the short-term support channel, which may not be viable for everyone. Amazon Web Services (AWS) Business Transformation, Heaps of tweaks and improvements incoming with GNOME 42, GNOME Project retires OpenGL rendering library Clutter, As System76 starts work on its own Linux desktop world, GNOME guy opens blog, engages flame mode, New GNOME Human Interface Guidelines now official and obviously some people hate it. As in, instead of interfacing with the user, you give them an experience. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts This release is significant because soon it will be the default desktop of the next Long Term Support (LTS) version of Ubuntu. Themes in this repo are "modded" to work with libadwaita via GTK 4.0. Everything you said there holds almost verbatim for Windows. The workstations have Windows 10 Pro installed, which needs to be, Maria is procuring 100 computers for use in a school. The styling is a mixture: GEdit's top corners are less rounded and its bottom corners are square. For instance, the global menu bar in macOS or Unity. The modern trend of barely legible use interfaces must die. > and decided that given the mess that was KDE4 they should do something about it. There are "natives" who stick to one platform and one theme, never see another one, and want everything consistent with their choices. I quite like it: it does the job and, as you say, it gets out of the way. The release gets rid of . GTK? Anyone? Download 3. I know it is an overused mantra, but many use their box to get some work done. You can find the option to switch the theme in the system settings under the appearance menu. How does anyone get anything done without tabbed windows?). Gtk 4 theming and Libadwaita Unfortunately, there will be no custom theming available for Libadwaita applications. Somehow I prefer the old fashion style, the windows with a colored title bar. The rest of us that want to get REAL work done will install something ELSE. (Can't say the same about mictosoft.). nautilus version is 42 but i found inconsistency in Press J to jump to the feed. I don't care for flat themes, but at least going flat meant KDE 5 didn't look as nightmarish, but it's over-fussy, clunky, poorly-customisable, and generally doesn't support anything except what the designers want. And that applies to me, too. QT? At top right is the older GEdit, and beneath it a Files window. As we mentioned in the GNOME 42 preview, the new look isn't just an easily changed theme. Plasma just does what I want it to and stays out of my way. Tokyo Night Gnome Shell ThemeTokyo Night is a GTK theme based on the Gruvbox Material VSCode and Graphite theme by @VinceLiuice and part of the 'Code Editors Colours for GTK' series.Themes for the GNOME Shell with the Tokyo Night colour palette.There are two types of themes you can choose from,. The result is a mess. Make it easy to tweak and/or replace the desired theme. GNOME 42's inconsistent themes are causing drama GNOME 42 is here, but its new look and feel doesn't yet include all of the environment. But in Linux graphics toolkits there isn't an worthwhile goal yet to be achieved. That way if some lunatic does take an axe to the stability of one framework, it's just a build option to switch to a different one and ignore the lunatic. The Linux desktop I had back in 2003 (early KDE) was very pretty: easily themeable, nice 3D effects, usable and powerful. Only Corel (and later Xandros, briefly) made it usable. That customisable part (via coding) is what the developers should hopefully be good at, because as designers they are hopeless failures. Let's face it, for any application that needs a user base to justify work being done on it, aiming to have GTK4 as a dependency seems to be a limiting step. Go fig maybe that helps to EXPLAIN THE INSANITY), /me humming song by Jimmy Hendrix now ":Have you been experienced?". Paper Theme GNOME 42 desktop showing inconsistent visual themes The screenshot above shows the Maybe they should speak with the people of Ubuntu who designed the screen for that forced fed snap install for FireFox. Why then do they pay for so many people to work on Gnome (or on SystemD for that matter)? Going from GTK2/3 to 4 might be modest amounts of work, but a lot of the cost and difficulty is assembling the team to do anything at all. When every pixel mattered, UI designers had no choice but to put in the effort and come up with some UIs which were wonderfully useable despite the limited space they had to work with, and which were clearly aimed at providing the user of that UI with as much space as possible for *them* to work with. You add a deployment slot to Contoso2023 named Slot1. MOZILLA FIREFOX I'm STILL lookin' at YOU!!! It boils down to replacing "programming" of the user-interface to having it render like a web page. (I could install and configure Windows 2000 without touching a mouse!). The overall effect is that we've gone nowhere, or backwards. This release is significant because soon it will be the default desktop of the next Long, Term Support (LTS) version of Ubuntu. For a mere app-switcher, I want that stacked vertically, but with the contents still arranged horizontally in rows. Settled on Fluxbox almost two decades ago, and never found a reason to change (okay, occasionally XFCE to access some odd config UI). Now that's brilliant with regard to screen real estate efficiency, right? And FFS stop changing things just for the sake of change. "And this is why the year of the Linux desktop will always be far in the future.". KDE 1 was fine for that time. We had that once. GNOME 42 is here, but its new look and feel doesn't yet include all of the environment. It's also notable that LibreOffice, a major example of a large application suite, makes sure it doesn't have such dependencies. Gosh, some apps are flatter than others? Along with Gtk 4 came a new library called libadwaita. It's a frequently requested feature, but also hard to get right. Link: https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/25/something_for_the_weekend/. All rights reserved 19982022, 'Experimental operating system' it may be, but it's still Unix/Linux-like, Kernel devs offer emperor penguin early gifts of code for version 6.2, You need to open up core systems to consumers and partners. ", A: "Three, One to change the bulb, and 2 to 'share in the experience'. And why should users have to do that? Like many modern desktops, GNOME uses a lot of web technology. It all boils down to poor decisions made in the direction the desktops would take (and in Gnome's case, the Gtk toolkit as well). GNOME 42 is here, but its new look and feel doesn't yet include all of the environment. This is already causing rumblings of discontent. 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"GNOME developers have always done what they see as their own vision of for the Linux desktop". I'm only old, not blind, and I'd sit here clicking up votes for the next 20 minutes if they allowed that. Whatever shall we do? I detest this stupidity that is present on macOS too. I can honestly say it's sweet as for my use-case. They are both too fat and just waste screen real estate making the whole thing feel claustophobic. Apple Cocoa has been stable for a long time also. But the problems with this KDE release arent density, but misunderstanding of the rules theyre working with, and instead aping the mistakes made by an existing popular system (the fallacy of assuming that popularity means high quality). light grey text on a slightly lighter grey background OPINION:Too right. Looks like is not works like. That's true of computers too, I suppose, but the results are usually less dire. I wonder why? That anecdote is a metaphor for Linux on the desktop. A new version comes along twice a year so Fedora 37 will almost certainly, have GNOME 43. Hence why we're now having pretty much the same anguished debate over how crap this latest iteration of a Linux UI is as we've had in the past with Windows, and which without any shadow of doubt we'll have about some other modern UI if el Reg run an article on it. Wireshark moved to Qt. to the short-term support channel, which may not be viable for everyone. I'm sticking to Xorg until the majority realise that Wayland is the SystemD of graphical technology. I remember a few years ago Ruby on Rails was popular. Monday March 28, 2022. And if they aren't, well, then they probably have just as much time to waste as those visionary GUI designers to repair things (install, distro hop, adapt CSS, what ever). Did the job. If you want to see just how f****d up GTK4 is, just take a look at the so called "guidance" for those of us who might want to migrate stuff that works in GTK3: (5) https://docs.gtk.org/gtk4/migrating-3to4.html Hundreds of helpful hints of the form "Do not use X". GTK keeps getting broken. This has, and from what I can tell, continue in Gtk4 (hopefully to a lesser degree), This article states that there are many themes to choose from and they are easily changed -- true only if you lower your expectations of what a theme can provide. . That, frankly, is flabbergasting. > Perhaps that's because they had a different opinion about KDE3.5. (Well those and Google's spying). "How You Can Help" it says, suggesting, "Write cool examples, Port an application, Convert custom widgets to new APIs, Find what doesnt work, or is too complicated". It can be made more bearable but customising it to look like an Apple or Windows 10/11. Enter the Gtk+3 CSS debacle. You need to provide time-limited access to storage1. (To each his own and good luck if you find what you use now fully cromulent). Last modified: 2007-06-26 19:53:34 UTC. The purpose of this is to help developers conform to the new GNOME Human Interface guidelines. They've removed a bunch of information from the new one that's right there in the old one - and that's still _shit_ compared to basically any app of the "pre modern ui" era where there would still be a "File Edit View Help" menubar at the top with _all_ the controls in rather than hiding them in a little burger button where it now takes 6 clicks drilling through sub-menus to find anything. Its simplicity is what makes it so stunning. Between fzf, yakuake and kwrite, I have all the IDE features I need. GNOME 42 is here, but its new look and feel doesn't yet include all of the environment. Things like Web or Electron might be seen as technologically shite, but they're shite with a wider potential user base. Now I am going to switch to KDE. It used to be that UI design was a big thing - these days it's more UX. There seem to be a generation of developers who have forgotten that some users just want stuff that works. But give the user a prominent banhammer to evade the egotistical idiots (MOZILLA FIREFOX I'm STILL lookin' at YOU!!!). Windows 10/11 is quite pretty in comparison. Well gee, thanks for making it fast, but it's totally pointless if no one's software can use that without major rework. From the 2nd one (Linus): "I want my sane interfaces back. Now depending on the level of reliance on it's offerings by any one given app, you may or may not have a consistent look and feel for your desktop. In the past with Gtk+2 there were literally hundreds, if not thousands of great Gtk+2 themes providing gtk+2, metacity and xfwm4 theming. 2022-05-25_12-59 15101420 148 KB. Guess which class the devs fall in. It is, arguably, pointless." Gtk CSS elements were added, removed, changed and every existing theme relying on a changed element broke. (and the folks around my desk at work learned of my love for the colour purple from that). This preview shows page 1 out of 1 page. One of the core problems with theming is that it so enormously focuses on the visuals. COINCIDENCE: Alistair Dabbs wrote the above article LAST FRIDAY. Even the original Mac with its tiny screen had scrollbars that would have been big enough for a touch interface, had one existed. You did carefully read the article, right? ignoring them is a smart move. But, after the disaster that moving to KDE4 (pre .5) entailed, the UI has improved. Both the system and the emergence of more and more applications that didn't conform to HID guidelines. here's how I eliminate their Adwaita takeover. Bueller? GNOME 42 will also be the default in Fedora 36, though Fedora doesn't have LTS versions. I personally would prefer a lower resolution screen, a more appropriate GUI system and save a shedload of battery to power the screen. Er, someone. You probably dislike the 'creatives' that produce them, with their pretty clothes and silly fashions and ladies that follow them around. I may even install Openbox on the host machine in place/alongside KDE Plasma . It wasn't going to be a 'big' improvement. out of all the possible good looking themes available why adwita is chosen to be the default for the general look . Yes, we typically have higher resolution screens now compared to the Windows NT 4.0 days but is the solution really to simply make everything larger to fill them and take up the same amount of space? How bad does Gnome / GTK have to get before Windows + WSL seems preferable? What was one of the most popular and well liked UI toolkits in Gtk+2, has literally been reduced to a Gnome-only support library. SAID! , The Register Biting the hand that feeds IT, Copyright. Which allows the user to customize the UI. Broken look and feel doesn't discriminate and applies equally to all desktops that "port to a new toolkit" instead of being developed for it from the ground up. GNOME . Just because the Gnome developers can't be bothered to get it right doesn't mean someone else can't. The reason will be the same as it ever was: that PC/laptop manufacturers will continue to ship their hardware with Windows/Mac pre-installed, and ordinary users do not change OSes (or even realise that the option exists). Whilst Gnome are continuously innovating the living daylights out of everyone else's previously working applications, the number of people willing to stay on their innovation bus is dropping. There is even a Unix console available if one invokes the proper spells. I don't want to mess around with the look and feel particularly; I don't lose sleep if a screen control is three pixels to the left. Separate dark and light screenshots. The problem (in their minds, as I see it) is that if users make CHOICES, it may not be the "right" choice (according to their 'feelz'). Zuki Gnome theme packs are known for their beautiful, transparent, and minimalistic design. Quote: "A Great Idea (Level 4) is known as an Armstrong-Osman. Cookie Notice Drives me nuts. Windows XP made theming part of Windows and was thus a strong incentive to switch to Linux, or Mac OS X, or indeed anything else. Especially because Unix software isn't all that great about telling one that it can't do that Dave because Dave doesn't have admin rights. Your humble vulture is among them: personally, I've loathed "themes" and "skins" since my first encounter with them in the otherwise-excellent Trillian on Windows 2000. -> And this is why the year of the Linux desktop will always be far in the future. Mostly KDE here, too but I'll admit to having skipped a version or two. And how many times have you now written in these comments that anyone who doesn't like something about Linux should just fork it? But really now, Android, MacOS and ChromeOS are all quite popular and they are all Unixen of one sort or another. Seems pointless. Checkout Smartproxy here: https://smartproxy.com/?utm_source=TechHut&utm_medium=Influencer&utm_campaign=spromoGNOME 42 is going to be another major upgrade. KDE 2 was better looking, still good. KDE 1.x was fine. Or you could fork it and write your own version. GNOME 42 desktop showing inconsistent visual themes. I would be pretty much fine with a desktop that looked like that today - although yes, I'd definitely want a bigger screen - but stylistically it's an improvement over a _lot_ of modern desktops. That means a lot of people will be looking at GNOME 42 every day until 2024. As we mentioned in the GNOME 42 preview, the new look isn't just an easily changed theme. 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